EPISODE 45 – Catherine Ewing, LCSW – Sacred Heart Alchemy

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: Hello and welcome to the Online Counseling Podcast – the show where we explore the world of online therapy. I am your host Clay Cockrell. It’s a great day here in Jersey City, New Jersey. As some of you know, I’m an online therapist based in New York, but I’m working from home these days for a couple of days a week. That’s a great thing about online therapy is that I’ve been able to take two days a week and work from home. And as a result, I’ve rented out my office for those two days to another therapist, and it helps reduce my costs, and I get to have lunch with my beautiful wife, and not have to deal with the New York commute. So if you’re looking for another reason to explore online therapy, cost reduction is a huge one. So again, welcome, really glad you were able to join us. I’m very excited about today’s guest, her name is Catherine Ewing. She’s based in Connecticut. She’s an LCSW and certified coach, and I came across her practice and I said, “You do what?” Okay, so a little background. When I started out as a therapist, I was very traditional in my approach. Rigid might be a word, which I think is quite typical for a young therapist just starting out.

 

CC: But then I start to educate myself on alternative approaches, and I’ve been fascinated by some. Some not all, but some, and many of the developments and approaches, or schools of thought, that are out there. And just like I do with my clients, I encourage them to challenge their preconceived notions, or prejudices, and be open to different things and that’s what I try to do. And that’s certainly is applicable to today’s guest. And first of all, I was so inspired by her personal journey. We go into that a little bit today, but she really opens up about it on her website, which is sacredheartalchemy.com. That’s sacredheartalchemy.com. I’ll put that in the show notes. Check that out if you get a chance. It’s a beautiful story. But combined with a beautiful journey and a fascinating approach of using energy psychology with trauma, online. And exploring issues related to the sacred feminine, I just thought she was inspiring and I thought, “She would be a great guest.” And she was.

 

CC: Just a quick note; a little update on the Online Therapy Directory. We are going strong. I’m hearing more and more from the online therapists that are listed there, that they are beginning to get really strong referrals and are booking new clients. Just one client will pay for their entire year of listing with us. Well and beyond that, actually. And I’m so grateful how the members were so patient with us as the directory grew. It’s finally paying off. And again, thank you for hanging in there with us. I’m so happy to be giving you all a great return on your investment and bringing new clients to you. And if you haven’t yet signed up with us, just head over to onlinecounselling.com and click on, “List My Practice”. All the information is right there. We can have you up and running in a matter of minutes. So, end of commercial. Okay, on to Catherine Ewing. She is truly an old-school social worker who has embraced the challenges in her life, embraced the technology that can help her reach more people that desperately need her services, and she really is an inspiration. I hope you enjoy our talk.

 

CC: Hello and welcome. I’m really excited about a conversation today that we’re having with an incredibly intriguing therapist and coach, Catherine Ewing. Catherine, thank you so much for joining us.

 

Catherine Ewing: Oh, it’s my pleasure, Clay. I’m delighted to be here.

 

CC: We were just getting to know one another a little bit before starting and I had to say, “Let’s stop, we’ve gotta get this on the recording.”

 

CE: It was speed dating on steroids. [chuckle]

 

CC: It really was. I’m like, “Oh, this is really good.” But let’s just kind of start briefly with your history of coming to online therapy and private practice.

 

CE: Yeah. I like to tell people that I came in the backdoor to being a therapist because as we started to talk about when… I do have an MSW and I’m a licensed clinical social worker, but when I went through school, and my intention was never to be a psychotherapist, I really didn’t take any clinical coursework. My focus was on community organizing, and group work, and women’s issues, which has always been really a love of mine. And a foundation for everything that I’ve done is around supporting women, empowering women. And certainly, as I’ve grown in my own life and in my own work, around helping women awaken spiritually and really connect with the divine truth of who they are, apart from the stories of their life, and their narrative, and their personal history, to really see themselves very differently.

 

CE: And so I worked in very grassroots kinds of social work for a very long time, and that included being a rape crisis counselor, working in the areas of domestic violence. I also worked in Child Protective Services as the head of the Sexual Abuse Unit in the Hartford area where I live. I coordinated the Governor’s Task Force on Justice for Abused Children for six or seven years. I’ve worked with women in poverty and around reproductive rights, and way back, around equal pay for equal work. And I was a union organizer. I had my Norma Rae moment when they carried out all bags that I worked in and told me I was a very disturbed young woman.

 

[laughter]

 

CC: [chuckle] Oh my good…

 

CE: I really have worked in the trenches, very grassroots.

 

CC: Very grassroots. I remember going through my MSW program and thinking… And it’s a degree that is so flexible, and that you can certainly go into the clinical direction or you can go into more of the traditional social work, and that you certainly did that. When did you decide, “Maybe I need to be drawn into counseling and therapy?”

 

CE: Yeah. Well, I don’t think it was as much a decision for me, as it was listening to some inner voice that I did, that I was quite surprised to hear. But I was actually on maternity leave in 1993, and at that time I was deciding whether I would go back to my position. I was expecting that I would. I actually doing school social work at the time, and all of a sudden started having these little voices, these urgings, about going into private practice. And I was like, “Really?” [chuckle] That wasn’t something I was expecting. But I reached out to a woman who I knew, when I was at DCF and doing child sexual abuse, she and I were on some child protective teams together. She’s a therapist. She’s a psychologist, and we did a lot of joint training together with first responders, police departments, lots of folks around child abuse investigation, child sexual abuse. And so I reached out to her, and I said, “You know, this is kind of crazy, but I’m thinking about this.”

 

CE: And she said, “Well, as a matter of fact, I’m in a different practice now than I was when we worked together, but we are expanding and we would love to bring in some new people. So why not come on down and meet my colleague, my co-owner, in the practice and see how it feels?” And it just went from there. And so, I ended up joining that practice, and it was baptism by fire. I was great with people, but I didn’t have really the clinical experience. And I realized… And of course, law of attraction or whatever you wanna call it, most of my clients have some kind of trauma or a pretty dysfunctional family history. I also had a number of clients who, although they came in with different presenting issues, underneath it was early mother loss. And I have a personal history of losing my mom quite young, and then my dad several years later, so the idea of mother loss and early orphaned… Being orphaned early in early in life was… And what it said to me was I needed to deal with my own issues around those things. It’s really spirit’s way, I believe, of bringing us into awareness of what we have to heal within ourselves, so that we can work more deeply with our clients as well.

 

CE: And so, I became frustrated with talk therapy, with the limitations as I experienced them, in talk therapy. And I realized that some of it was just probably my own lack of experience.

 

[laughter]

 

CE: And still, right? I’m not in any way demeaning talk therapy, but for me, because my clients… Most of my clients had such deep wounds, I really felt like I wasn’t helping facilitate the deepest healing for them that I could. And in some ways I almost felt like I was re-victimizing them. Like, “Well, let’s talk about that some more.” And what I came to realize was, the mind… As one of my spiritual teachers said to me, “The mind only knows what the mind only knows.” And what it did for me was kick-start me on a different path. And as a result of that, to make kind of a long story shorter, I became trained in seven or eight different kinds of energy healing modalities, starting with therapeutic touch and Reiki, and going on to a bunch of other kinds of energy healing modalities. I was drawn into ministry, so I became an ordained minister of spiritual peacemaking in a very alternative program that brought together the things that were really most important in my life and in my heart, which was looking at the peace prayers of all the major spiritual traditions, the re-emergence of the divine feminine energy on the planet as a way toward peace, to balance the misaligned egoic masculine energy that we’ve been feeling for so long, and also the law of attraction.

 

CE: So a lot of work around mindset, and manifestation, and how our thoughts and our words really create our reality. And all of that was new to me, and so it really set me… And I love how spirit works because clearly, this going into private practice was not just for me to work in that area. It was really a way for me to step more deeply onto my own spiritual path and into my own work. This eventually led me down the path of online therapy.

 

CC: This is why I love doing this podcast, is I get to speak with therapists from all sorts of different backgrounds and approaches. And I think that’s why I wanted to speak with you because I have been, over the last few years, fascinated with energy psychology, certainly the law of attraction and the conversation that is happening between traditional psychotherapy, and talk therapy, and some of the newer things that are coming; the EMDR and the energy psychology.

 

CE: Yeah.

 

CC: But let’s back up just a little bit. The thing that was coming into my mind when you were talking about starting into this private practice was, “Did you ever watch Judging Amy?”

 

CE: Yes.

 

CC: You’re in Connecticut, as well.

 

CE: Yeah.

 

CC: Yeah. So there’s the Tyne Daly. There was this one episode where Tyne Daly who plays, of course, this social worker, very grassroots, working with children in foster care, decides for some reason to start a private practice or begin doing talk therapy, and everybody laughed at her. It was like, “You’re gonna be terrible at this because you’re not somebody that’s going to be able to have that therapeutic relationship. You’re just kinda this old crusty social worker.”

 

[laughter]

 

CE: Yeah.

 

CC: And you… It kind of mirrors your story, but you get in there, and while it may not have been the perfect fit, you’ve explored different modalities that were truer to you.

 

CE: And I don’t know if you know this, but Amy the judge.

 

CC: The judge, yes.

 

CE: Is from Connecticut, and she is the daughter of a judge.

 

CC: Really?

 

CE: Who I sat in front of many times as a DCF worker.

 

CC: [chuckle] That’s funny yeah.

 

CE: Right? So, there’s a thread in that story. Judge Frederica Brenneman and she… You might talk about… You did not mess around in front of Judge Brenneman.

 

CC: Wow.

 

CE: You knew you were you know what, or you didn’t show up in court that day.

 

[laughter]

 

CC: That’s great.

 

CE: To have a daughter in that role, become an actress and then be in that role, was quite…

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: Quite amazing, yeah.

 

CC: There’s so few good portrayals of therapists and social workers on television. I was just really drawn to that show.

 

CE: Yeah.

 

CC: But okay, so that’s not what we’re here to talk about.

 

[laughter]

 

CE: But I love those pieces because it’s just some extra little bit of information that’s so relevant.

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: And it came up for a reason, right?

 

CC: Absolutely.

 

CE: Yeah.

 

CC: Absolutely. So let’s talk about your journey as an online therapist. You were in, kinda I guess, an established private practice. Did you stay in that or did you open your own? And let’s kinda talk about maybe the business mindset of what happened from there.

 

CE: Yeah, so I did join that other practice which is very established. They’re wonderful. Both of the owners of that practice are wonderful, and I’m still friends with them. But right from the very beginning, I had a sense that there was gonna be a shift for me, and I didn’t even know what that meant at the time because they were talking about a more holistic… I joined their practice, and they were using words like, “Oh yeah, we’re expanding. It’s gonna be more holistic.” But their idea of holistic was not quite the same as mine. I didn’t even know that at the time, so things developed. And so it was a psychiatrist, and there were psychologists, and there were licensed clinical social workers, and students doing their post-grad work, whatever, but it was all still mental health. And so as I was doing my own work around energy and getting trained in all these different energy healing modalities, and then as I was in seminary which was a very unusual, [chuckle] a very unusual seminary program, I was having visions of something else, some other kind of practice. And so I ended up leaving that practice to open a holistic healing center.

 

CE: So I had my own therapy practice, but I also had a space where I was having people in to do things like yoga, and sound healings, and meditations, and talking to dead people, and [chuckle]..

 

CC: Way out there stuff.

 

CE: Tai chi, Qigong and all kinds of… And I had Reiki healers in the space. So, all kinds of things that back in… That was in the early 2000, I left in 2004. I was in that practice for 11 years, left… And I was really guided and I went on my first seminary retreat, and I came back knowing that it was time for me to create this new model that I didn’t even really quite understand at the time. But again, the way spirit works, I was away on my seminary retreat. I got the download that it was time to go. I came back, and in the week that I was gone, the practice that I was in had been audited by the Labor Department and been told that they had to change their model to an employee-employer model because we were not really independent contractors, we were all pretty much doing the same thing. So it was like in the week that I was gone this went down, and it just confirmed the message for me that it was time for me to move on.

 

CC: Then how do you get the business acumen? The financing? It sounds like you’ve created your own space. You’ve got all these other people coming in with their different talents and skills. How did you do that?

 

CE: Yeah. Hmm. It’s so interesting because I’m so not a business person. I just really took this huge leap of faith. I did have one of the other women in the practice, decided that she would leave at that time as well because she didn’t wanna be an employer. And just so, she and I found a space. I happened to be in seminary at the time, and my seminary coach… I was talking about this and talking about spaces we were looking at, and she said, “Stop. Stop talking about the numbers, the square footage, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Go into your heart. Visualize what it is that you want.” And you really did sort of a guided imagery around creating this space, “See yourself in it. Imagine how that would feel if the space is full, and people are coming, and they’re loving your programs, and you’re really supporting your community, right?” And she said, “That’s the energy to go forward with.” And within two days, we found our space.

 

CC: Wow.

 

CE: And we just… So we each had our individual private online therapy practices, and then just brought other people in, so we didn’t… Yeah, we started an LL… So it was an LLC. But really, beyond that, we did it all ourselves. We didn’t have accountants. We didn’t have lawyers. We just… We had our own practices and we brought people in.

 

CC: Wow. Okay.

 

CE: And yeah.

 

CC: Okay. So let’s get… It’s the Online Counselling Podcast, right?

 

[laughter]

 

CC: So, I mean, this is a… Let’s kind of move… Because I’m sure listeners are going, “Oh, this is fascinating, but where’s the tech part?” And not… I don’t know your particular age, but I know that we’re both out of our 30s, so…

 

[laughter]

 

CE: That’s true.

 

CC: Not having grown up with technology, being of a certain age, how did you and what was that journey like for you to transfer to online therapy? It sounds like you’ve started out by using some telesummits in 2008. Tell me a little bit about that.

 

CE: Yeah, so it really was… So, in this process, I was also becoming certified in a number of different coaching modalities, and it was really more of a focus on the coaching, and expanding my work through coaching, that I started to do more of the online work. So, you’re right. So I started doing teleclasses, which was just on the phone, right? I would send out an email to my list or I would let people know that that’s what I was doing, and I had… I used freeconferencecall.com, and people would just call in, and I would do some teaching, and we would do some question and answering, and then the recording would be available, and I would send it out to people. So really very simple in the beginning. Then as I was working with one coach, I did a Telesummit, and that was a lot of work. It involves a lot of moving parts that I won’t get into, but I invited 21 experts, 21 women in mid-life, who had moved through their own challenges, difficulties. I had also left a 30-year marriage, left my paid employment, left my home and my children when I was 52. So I had my own story of mid-life transformation.

 

CC: Wow.

 

CE: Where… Yeah, I do… I kinda take these leaps of faith and… So, all of that was going on while I was changing my business model as well. [chuckle]

 

CC: Oh my goodness.

 

CE: And so, I didn’t telesummit with 21 women, over 21 days, where I’m doing pretty much what you are doing: Interviewing women. But I would then ran it for 21 days straight. And that helped bring me a larger audience, and people started to contact me outside of my immediate geographical area and I started doing online coaching. So it wasn’t so much therapy as it was coaching because I had coaching certifications, and I didn’t… I wasn’t sure about all the rules about online therapy. And I know listening to yours, they’re still… And this was almost 10 years ago now. So the rules then were even muddier than they are now. So I really expanded into more of a global audience as a coach, as opposed to an online therapist.

 

CC: And it started… Not to interrupt, but it started with you kinda positioning yourself as an authority…

 

CE: Yes.

 

CC: By doing this telesummit, which blows my mind. I can’t imagine my first foray into technology being a 21-day, interview all these experts, manage… I mean, come on, this is deep end of the swimming pool kind of stuff here, Catherine.

 

CE: It was. So I have to do a little disclosure in all honesty and integrity. I was dating someone at the time who was an IT expert.

 

[overlapping conversation]

 

CC: Ah, here we go. Good. Good. I mean, you used the tools that were around you, right?

 

CE: Those moving parts for me because it was a lot to figure out. I decided who I wanted to interview, and I sent out the emails to them, and started to gather all the information, but he put a lot of the… He did a lot of the technology piece that is so crucial for an online therapist.

 

CC: Nice. Good.

 

CE: Although before that, I actually did my own, now that I think about it. Before that, it was not so involved but I spoke out in California in 2008, and there were a bunch of women… There were a bunch of women who also spoke at that event, who I wanted to showcase.

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: And I ran my own telesummit. I decided, I reached out to a bunch of women. I got about 15 of them, and I actually did online live hour-and-a-half calls where we did this for an hour, like you and I are doing, and then we opened up the lines for Q&A. I didn’t get into a lot of the technology because it was just me, and I didn’t even know at that point about all of that other stuff. I just wanted to talk to these women and let other women hear their stories. So we did it as a… We did it on Skype, I think, and we recorded it, but it was live as well. So we were online live Q&A, in the moment, with all the issues that being live brings. You know, sometimes the connection was bad or we would… The call would drop and we’d call each other back, and… [laughter]

 

CE: And I was much less concerned back then with getting it right. I just was…

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: Passionate about what I was doing. I loved what these women were doing in the world and I wanted to share their stories, their work, and have other women have an opportunity to connect with them.

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: And that’s really what has driven me all along, and so I just keep trying the next thing.

 

CC: That’s incredible. Now, it’s one thing to speak with other professionals and interview them, and kudos to you. But then, that opens up a world to draw in clients to you, and you begin developing and delivering care online.

 

CE: Yes. Yes.

 

CC: So, what was that like for you and how did you, technologically, manage that?

 

CE: Well… So, right. So my list grew significantly. My tribe grew significantly through those different endeavors, and I was also blogging regularly, right? So this all doesn’t happen in a vacuum. I was putting out blogs. I had a website, and I would occasionally put out an offer or sometimes people would just contact me from… I was also a volunteer in Sandy Hook, after the shootings, for two years, with Nick Ortner, and Lori Leyden, and the EFT community. And so some people got to know me that way, more as an EFT expert. So, people just started finding me. Sometimes they were like, “I don’t even know how I found you, your name just showed up.” [chuckle] And I would get called literally from Austria, South Africa, California, Alaska. You know, people… Hawaii, Colorado. Really very widespread. And we would do online therapy, just the way you’re doing now, but we would be live. We would be seeing each other. We would have video not just audio, and I would work with them, “As a coach” or a trauma… Or an EFT. A lot of it was, they would buy a package of EFT sessions with me. So, 10 hours of EFT or 10 sessions of EFT. And it was all… We used PayPal, so they would just pay me through PayPal. And I think you talked about doing that too. And that was not complicated from a technological point of view.

 

CC: No. Very simple. Okay.

 

CE: Yeah. So that’s really how that stuff worked.

 

CC: But you are certified. You’re trained as a coach, as an EFT expert. You’ve got years of experience doing this face-to-face.

 

CE: Mm-hmm.

 

CC: So it wasn’t that difficult, at least I’m hearing, it wasn’t difficult for you to transition to, “I’m talking through a screen and connecting with people.”

 

CE: No, and like everyone else, I think I had my concerns about that. I was a little bit skeptical of how that would feel. But I have to say, other than being able to reach out and touch somebody, or give them a hug, when they’re leaving or… Coming in or leaving my office, the connection is remarkable. It’s as though you’re sitting in the same room. And I often, I create sacred space very often. So when someone comes into my… I use Zoom now, not Skype. I’ve switched over. But when someone comes into my space, we’ll often just take a minute and breathe together or I’ll do a little… I’m a sound healer, so I’ll do my bowl or my tinghas, or I’ll do a short guided meditation, just to create the space that we’re gonna work in.

 

CC: Yeah. That’s interesting that you’re using the things, the senses, that are available to you. Sound, a bit of breathing, the physical that… A lot of therapists go, “How do I have that initial connection?”

 

CE: Yeah.

 

CC: And it sounds like you have tweaked your approach to make that happen for online counseling.

 

CE: Yeah. I’m very intentional about that, for myself as well as for them, because I know how distracting it can be to be sitting, whether they’re at the office or at home in their own space. So, I really, very intentionally create, carve out, a sacred space for us to do the work.

 

CC: Wow. Okay.

 

CE: So they feel held in that container, even though not physically, because energetically we can create that, right?

 

CC: Absolutely.

 

CE: There really is no separation.

 

CC: Yeah. So you’re on… Interesting, you’re using Zoom now. Do you like it?

 

CE: I love Zoom, yeah. Yeah. I was having some trouble with my recording software on Skype, and I started using Zoom for another program that I was involved in and it worked so well that I just decided to use that for my therapy platform.

 

CC: Okay. Good, so you’re doing energy work for trauma which I find fascinating, and you found it to be just as effective as in face-to-face?

 

CE: Absolutely. Absolutely. And sometimes, I wanna be careful what I say here, sometimes I think that ’cause I don’t wanna contradict what I said about creating a sacred space, but I do a specific kind of trauma work that’s content-free… Which means that I work with my client, with their energy field, and with their bio-system, and with their brain in a way that, not only doesn’t require, but really doesn’t want them to tell the story. So, for someone who’s been in the military or a first responder, and has severe PTSD, telling the story often doesn’t work because A; they can’t talk about what their experience was, or B; their experiences were so emotionally charged, either in-service or what has happened in their family system since they’ve been home, that it allows them to save face. And so, we use a technique where they are holding the experience, the awareness, of what they’re working on in their own minds, but they don’t have to share it with me. We don’t have to talk about it.

 

CC: Wow. It’s incredible the new approaches, and that I think that you’re an example of someone who went and found something, or maybe it found you, that was authentic and was real for you. And certainly it sounds like you’ve been able to reach people all over the world who have been in need and connect with them through online therapy.

 

CE: Yeah. And it took a lot of years ’cause although I learned a lot of energy work, but because it was energy work, it wasn’t always easily adaptable in a therapy environment. Energy work is usually done quietly on the person’s energy field. And it really wasn’t until I learned EFT, and I learned EFT in 2006. So I’ve been doing it for a long time now, and that was like, “Oh” it was this beautiful blend. I could hear the angelic choir because it was a blend of talk therapy and energy work.

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: We could use words and people could talk about their experience within a certain structure and then use the energy body, and move the energy, the stuck energy, out of their energy system which would allow that emotional charge to then collapse. And so then, they’re not triggered as frequently in their day-to-day life because I describe to clients, it’s like they’re kind of like a human dartboard with all of these open, gaping sores, right? So, any random dart that hits them, whether it’s intentional or not, can create a lot of pain and discomfort for them. And so, as we do the energy work it’s like healing all of those open…

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: Most vulnerable places. So even if a stray dart lands, there’s not so many places for it to hit or it’s not as intensely painful. So both the intensity and the frequency of them being triggered in their day-to-day life is reduced, as they really do the healing on an energetic level.

 

CC: Yeah, it’s fascinating. I could sit here and ask questions about this all day long because I’m just now getting and exploring that world, and the incredible effectiveness of it for a particular clientele. I love that you are doing this online because so many of… Modalities out there people will say, “Yeah, it’s great, but it won’t work for X”, whatever that is. You can’t really do that online. And I think you’re an example of somebody who was like, “Yeah, watch me.”

 

[laughter]

 

CE: Yeah. Tell me I can’t. They told me I couldn’t be a priest when I was 6, and that really…

 

[laughter]

 

CC: Yeah. Watch me.

 

CE: Until I became an ordained minister. [laughter] Right?

 

CC: Catherine, you are incredibly inspiring. Again, I would have you on here for the longest time and just ask you questions, but just as we wrap up, because we are limited, any… Knowing that the listeners out there are other therapists that are working online, any kind of tips or things that you want to… Parting wisdom you wanna add in there on that topic?

 

CE: I would really just say: Follow your passion. Know that you can connect as deeply with people across time and space, as you can with them sitting right in front of you. That there really is no separation when you hold the intention and the consciousness of connecting deeply with your clients, you can do it just as effectively online as you can in a physical brick and mortar room. And don’t let the fear of the technology stop you, because it’s doable. If I can do it, honestly, I am of a generation that did not grow up with this stuff. And if I can figure this all out in the midst of leaving a 30-year marriage, living in somebody’s basement for 15 months…

 

[laughter]

 

CC: Yeah.

 

CE: Right?

 

CC: Right.

 

CE: And that really, you can do it. You can do it.

 

CC: Nice. Some inspiring words. Okay, so it’s Catherine Ewing, LCSW, life coach and online therapist. Your website is sacredheartalchemy.com. We’ll put that in the show notes. On that site, it really does show you’re very open about your history and your story, and certainly people can get in touch with you that way. Catherine, thank you so much for sharing some time with us today.

 

CE: Oh, thank you, Clay. As I said, it was my pleasure. I’m so glad we kind of connected, and just as an aside, Katie is the daughter of a friend of mine here in Connecticut and that’s how my connection to them happened…

 

CC: Ah!

 

CE: Which was then my connection to you. So again, I love how spirit works. I love how things get put together that are unexpected and delightful, and that certainly is what happened here today, so…

 

CC: Absolutely. Okay, so check out the show notes everyone, and if you need to get in touch with her, you can get in touch with sacredheart…

 

CE: Alchemy.

 

CC: Sacredheartalchemy.com. My tongue’s not working. Alright Catherine, thank you so much.

 

CE: Thank you, Clay. Thank you.

 

Catherine is a LCSW and certified coach, working online using Energy Psychology / Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT)and other modalities to help her clients heal from past wounds – particularly doing trauma work. She has been a life long advocate for women and minorities. Her journey to the online world is fascinating – she even created Tele-Summits to highlight the expertise of 21 different health professionals – and this was back in 2008. She is an inspiration for all of us to embrace the technology of our time and think outside of the box, while listening to our inner wisdom.

 

www.sacredheartalchemy.com